Sure. The strongest argument I can see for reparations is not that white people bear some kind of ancestral blame. And the Domesday Book even counts slaves as a separate category below the unfree peasants (villans, bordars and cottars) those owed service to a Lord who could order them to move about and could say yes or no to their proposed marriages, but unlike slaves he didnt own them, couldnt sell them, and they had property rights to at least a smallholding. @ Boganboy ", TV historian rejects 'nonsense' over keeping statues, What Black History Month is - and why it matters. Supported by African authors of slave narratives such as Olaudah Equiano and Ottabah Cugoano, they held meetings all over the country, attracting huge crowds. Check out the trailer for Peter Pan & Wendy, an upcoming live-action movie directed by David Lowery. Had a vault for the more inflammatory pieces. A covering letter would be a courtesy but probably not a necessity. The stars are out as Dr Pete Olusoga explores the psychology of stage and screen with the wonderful British actor (and Coronation Street veteran), Shobna Gulati. Those aged 11-14 have to be taught about the British Empire between 1745-1901, however the slave trade is one of nine examples given by the Department of Education on what can be taught. Used to be on a long-dead and much missed forum where the topics of debate ranged far wider than they do here (as did the viewpoints I think it would be useful if us right-wing brexity mob didnt chase off the sensible non-right-wing non-brexity types so much). Even Bill Clinton had affinity for the USA. Separated from home and family and landed in the West Indies (countless numbers dying of suffocation during the journey, given that the people traffickers were packing the holds to maximise profits), the Africans had no recourse to the law, much less the conscience of their captors. I think a case could be made. Should almost go without saying except of course that it doesnt, since clearly not every culture has the same moral gut reaction to it that I do. Id say this to Mr Olusoga. Shouldnt Olusoga be writing in Ubangi bantu-language? Do I feel like I had anything to do it? I still find arguing the toss, or watching others doing so, interesting partly because it shows how the viewpoints are divergent, how many arguments are self-interested, what social, cultural and economic forces are at work behind it all. And, of course, being half white, he is only entitled to half the reparation payment. The rest apart from Ireland (17, partly due to influence of aforementioned Patrick) set it younger. The South Sea bubble, the greatest financial crash of the 18th century, was intimately connected to Britains dealings with Africa, though this is rarely acknowledged by historians. It is about the centuries-long engagement with Africa, a consequence of which is the black presence in Britain. Those who grew rich on slavery and the slave trade were not neutral and no achievement or act of philanthropy justifies airbrushing their involvement from history.. That needs to change, The autonomous future is nearly here with Wejo, The need to grow Londons EV infrastructure at speed and scale, From royal trumpeter to chief diver, Miranda Kaufmann uncovers the Africans of Tudor Britain, The big consultancy con, with Mariana Mazzucato, The rise and fall of Nicola Sturgeon Audio Long Reads, Facility / Grounds Management and Maintenance, HR, Training and Organisational Development, Information and Communications Technology, Information Services, Statistics, Records, Archives, Infrastructure Management - Transport, Utilities, Science and Technical Research and Development. Slavery is bad or it isnt. So he calls himself a Geordie. Not good. In the 15th and 16th centuries, thousands of pounds of gold were shipped to Europe. This is indeed tu quoque. They are stupid false for America. And that still stands even if there really are a bunch of torturing murderers out there too. His dad met his mom at the city's university in the 1960s. it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them And Britain worked for the whole of the 19th century to put down slavery in Africa. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. They deliberately bought skewed mostly male gender balance. The many African-American abolitionists, such as Frederick Douglass, who visited Britain from the 1840s onwards, were well received and, again, thousands of people greeted them and raised money to support their cause. Cotton was a completely different slave economy. Its very noticable how nobodys mentioning that the Spanish Empire were doing this for several centuries before the British got involved. His book is a product of that childhood terror, and partly an exploration of his condition as a black Briton. The Benin Dialogue Group announced it had brokered an agreement that will see "some of the most iconic" of the bronzes returned to Benin City, Nigeria, where they will be housed in the soon-to-be-built Benin Royal Museum. BurningEars August 30, 2020 at 3:07 pm Theres a flaw in arguments of the form frankly you should be glad I murdered your sister. Id agree that attitudes in the UK are approaching that situation, but theres still a long, long way to go yet. It seems absurd to me that anyone should be concerned about what happened 200 or 500 years ago. Nevertheless, we live in a society that generally regards slavery as an absolute and eternal wrong, and a grave one at that, yet which has historically (at least certain people and places, and including the state itself) benefited from imposing slavery on others. And so, equipped with the fruits of Islamic learning (new navigational instruments, books on astronomy and trigonometry), European explorers set sail for Africa to relieve the natives of their gold. "So when black history was missing - the history of empire, the history of slavery - was missing from my history lessons, I didn't have a place to go to discover those missing chapters. The novel became the bestselling book of 19th-century Britain; it was adapted for the theatre and generated mass-produced merchandise playing cards, jigsaws, tableware. Olusoga has benefited from and added significantly to the work of Fryer and other historians such as James Walvin. Sugar was king: originally a luxury, it became one of the main sources of calories for the British poor. The argument isnt whether historical slavery was right or wrong or who should accept responsibility for it. In the end, wholl be proven right about the matter practically, in terms of what the outcome is and what the first drafts of history say? I assume he is not very bright and Race Hustling is very lucrative. Theres probably more mileage in my country, or at least its historical incarnation, fought against it because unlike the actual people involved, the state is still around. MyBurningEars August 30, 2020 at 3:31 pm Deliberately shipping that many people that far in order to participate in a newly-created society whose economic system was designed, pretty much from the ground up, around slave labour?, True that unlike certain other examples of slavery, you werent likely to be killed as part of a religious sacrifice or as part of your owners funeral., But there have been other societies with slavery where slaves had more autonomy and a greater chance of buying their freedom.. If there were African states with legal continuity to those political entities which established and encouraged the African slave markets, they would be on the hook too, but theres a discontinuity due to colonialism and besides, everyone knows to sue the rich guy not the poor guy. Nineteen eighty-four affected him in another way: the publication of Peter Fryers groundbreaking Staying Power: The History of Black People in Britain introduced him to the scholarship needed to understand his position in Britain. Olusoga is making an appeal to white guilt. Should black history be taught all year round? . We aint paying no goddam reparations & no-ones gonna make us. TV historian David Olusoga claims it is "palpable nonsense" to say that removing controversial statues "somehow impoverishes history". Over 150 years in America. Maybe heard of Saint Balthild, seventh-century English lass sold into slavery, exported to the Continent, served in a palace and ended up marrying the Frankish King?). Thy did not try to grow or raise the next generation. Its a replay of the ecology nutters & the trannies. The book accompanying. No. But it is also likely that disease played a role. His rhetoric is to inflame the reader. Not sure theyd do that with modern sensibilities mind you. They did not care much for adult males. The Westman Islands of Iceland have an interesting history in terms of European slavery a major rebellion of presumably mostly Irish (Westmen) slaves was put down there in the typically brutal Scandinavian manner, hence the name, but in the 1600s the local inhabitants were themselves enslaved by Barbary pirates and taken to Algiers, from where a few were ransomed back and one wrote about the experience. The details of difference are fairly minor. But those were in those long-lost days when democrats and republicans could talk to each other and agree to disagree while both leaving the conversation a little the wiser.. Looking at what happened in Haiti or Jamaica or chunks of Latin America, I dont find either well, could have been much worse or what do you expect, Early Modern West Europeans, how could they have known better? to be particularly convincing responses. It built slave forts on the African coast, some such as Bunce Island in Sierra Leone furnished with a rape house. "He was the voice of somebody who wasn't speaking about the past as a historian, but was living it. In 1787, they met in London and set up the Society for Effecting the Abolition of the Slave Trade. David Olusoga's Family David Olusoga, age 49 was born to a Nigerian father and a British mother. And so many hundreds of thousands of British workers were directly dependent on slavery (from sailors to those who built, rigged and repaired ships) that it was easy to turn a blind eye to the inhumanity. But you need a different approach if you dont think great-grandkids of the Confederacy are still fair game.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr_Gide, Less flippantly, Western countries are not of one mind when it comes to the age of consent sex with a 14 year-old is legal in some countries, criminal in others (yes yes, paedophilia versus ephebophilia etc, you got me). Watching @worstall execute @richardjmurphy is like watching a very, very clever cat slowly killing at ataxic mouse. It was the first of the slave narratives that I'd ever read and I found it astonishing.". But that ignores how the demand of outsiders led inevitably to far more supply being provided, so I dont think the traders can be given a pass on this front either. In America few were castrated, which is why there are now >40 million descendants there. She wasnt interested in my academic pursuit. If the alternative was that they were killed? Back in the heyday of blogging, perhaps ten years ago or so, there was a blogger calling him/herself The Heresiarch who enjoyed running against received opinions. David Olusoga is a 49-year-old historian and presenter Credit: Getty - Contributor David Olusoga is a British Nigerian historian, broadcaster and writer. Like the Nigerian slavers who enslaved and sold the slaves, you mean? Mans a loon. You should know better. Anyway, I digress, we did have at some point, a gang of pedos turn up and put their case, reasonably, and were tolerated and conversed with. The Sokoto Caliphate probably had as many slaves and a lot fewer free men as the Old South. If someone from Portugal or France wants to explain why their country has done a better job of getting the balance right, Im open to hearing it. Various among the societies that were agglomerated into Nigeria were more or less involved in that slave trade from the supply end. He is a Cultural Marxist trying to destroy the West. Even did something positive. Not many remember anything about segregation either. Hey, we do not even have to go that far. It doesnt end with the parties saying Well that was pleasantly intellectually stimulating, now lets have a nice game of cricket Youre opponents are not playing by the same rules as you are. ), Who is fundamentally right about reparations for slavery? No one has said we should not consider someone elses viewpoint. Later his parents separated from each other when he was just two years old. Hes insisting that a household headed by a 21 year old black should have the average wealth of all white households. You dont have esoteric discussions with paedophiles any more than you would with serial killers. But that ignores how the demand of outsiders led inevitably to far more supply being provided. "I don't know why this generation has a different relationship with the past, goes to the past, expecting and looking for different things to earlier generations, but that's really is my observation about them," he says adding the internet has played a huge part. Over 1000 years in Britain. Then, in October, came a breakthrough. Its a shame If more African-Americans started to vote Republican and the Democrats felt they needed something radical to boost their offer, and had enough support from liberal whites and other groups to risk further losses among blue-collar whites, for example. Now they do. The arguments do you want to get shaken down for several trillion? He talks about slavery because YOU care. Theres no point pretending Europeans who profited from either the transatlantic slave trade or the use of slave labour in the Americas were somehow doing a favour to the slaves involved. This year, return to Neverland. (and white people was pretty much the British). If you had spare cash or could borrow, investment in slavery was a sure winner, never mind slave rebellions or hurricanes that destroyed cane fields. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation?. But that is not the argument I am making. Presumably there were normal times when food was cheap that you fed your workers and didnt seek to replace them in the way Olusoga means. The German survivors of Stalingrad were sent to camps and most of them worked to death. That involved killing the adult men. I had a girlfriend whose mother was a Nazi. A weekly round-up of some of the best articles featured in the most recent issue of the New Statesman, sent each Saturday. First launched in London in 1987, it aims to highlight and celebrate what black people have achieved in Britain throughout history. Britain's role in the transatlantic slave trade is part of the national curriculum, although it is not statutory. One in which enslaved people suffered and even died from malnutrition, as the economics of the slave trade meant that it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them than it was to provide them with food. A fifty quid note in the hand of the first black bloke you encounter. at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too.. He also studied at the University of Liverpool and so benefits from slavery as much as anyone else. White communities suffer huge losses from Black crime. True that unlike certain other examples of slavery, you werent likely to be killed as part of a religious sacrifice or as part of your owners funeral. But its still awful, even on a historical scale.. They may have been turning people they would have killed into a profitable commodity. Arguably wrong in a crimes against humanity way (similar language of natural justice and universal morality indeed being used by the abolitionists and the UK itself when it tried to enforce a ban on the trade) that made it inherently illegal even when governments tried to put it on a legal footing. I have a peeve about the BBC genealogical show Who do you think you are? which I dont know whether has been inflected upon the Left Pond. His exposure to Nigerian culture seems quite limited. 7 years was the average working lifespan so it is said. Dr Peter Olusoga is a Senior Lecturer in Psychology. Not to say it was nice. A weekly newsletter helping you fit together the pieces of the global economic slowdown. arguments are pretty weak since relying on a doctrine of virtues of the fathers risks implicitly accepting sins of the fathers.. Was never entirely sure which bits were believed and which bits were just a fun bit of intellectual muscle-flexing couldnt all have been intended seriously since so many posts contradicted each other. 2023 BBC. Its been banned for two centuries in Britain. You might have heard of a Romano-British chap called Patrick, got enslaved and nabbed to Ireland? The following decades were taken up with popular and political rhetoric about immigration and parliamentary acts to limit blacks coming to Britain. To be honest, I was a bit sceptical about the Olympics coming to London, but the atmosphere across the capital was genuinely wonderful . From Roots. And I dont think this is what reparations campaigners are calling for either, as I understand it their argument includes systematic legacy issues not just the period of slavery itself, so the harm relates more directly to them not just their ancestors. The historian tells Michael Segalov about getting up early, reading George Orwell, taking his dog George for a walk, playing his guitar It died out with the Romans leaving, and its non-legality repeatedly reaffirmed from the reign of the early Normans onwards. I doubt that they are now firmly united in a common cause. Re putting the argument for paedophilia they actually gave Gide the Nobel prize for literature didnt they? Sign up to receive information regarding NS events, subscription offers & product updates. Married an American GI after the war. Then the second. Yet American slave-produced raw cotton continued to feed the 4,500 mills of Lancashire. Giles Terera, the Olivier award-winning British performer who starred in the popular theatre production Hamilton, has recently staged a play called the Meaning of Zong about the massacre of 132 enslaved Africans aboard the slave ship Zong in 1781 and the impact it had on Equiano. Why are these characterizations needed? The thing we British are ancestrally responsible for is beginning and continuing to pursue the extinction of the sordid business of slavery. Less flippantly, Western countries are not of one mind when it comes to the age of consent sex with a 14 year-old is legal in some countries, criminal in others (yes yes, paedophilia versus ephebophilia etc, you got me).. All in all your typical West African is far more likely to have ancestral connections to the slave trade than your typical Brit. Olusoga poses as an objective historian and says he is not there to bring comfort to people. White people are unique in ending slavery across the world*. No? Particularly as nowadays anyone who dares even look at someone a few days below the age of consent is believed to be an incorrigible nonce who deserves hanging, castration, or castration by hanging. There is no reason to think one system was more or less brutal than the other. Kyle Rittenhouse, unlike the rest of their sorry asses, did something. How does importing new labour from West Africa solve the food shortage in the West Indies? If black lives really mattered these people would be protesting the 500 shot dead so far by predominantly black men in Chicago this year. That hes able to write this article is because hes living in what is, by historical standards, a remarkably tolerant society. I have that estimate saved and ready to be critiqued as part of a larger project. We pretend we do not like slavery but actually we do not like slave traders. Not a big fan of the odd human sacrifice Im afraid, even though I might just be of very partial Scandinavian descent myself. The New Statesmans weekly environment email on the politics, business and culture of the climate and nature crises - in your inbox every Thursday. The good news is that Black Lives Matter may be that trigger. I was uncomfortable using it. Because it isnt about who you are, its about who your ancestors were. Shipwrecked off the coast of Africa, he, and other survivors, were taken by an African tribe as captives. many African tribes kept slaves. Between that night at the opera and 1807, nearly 800,000 Africans were enslaved. Maybe Europeans did increase demand. So how much have considered paedophilia? I agree BIS. Viking Dublin was a major slave-trading centre (English, Irish, Scots, anyone else they could get their hands on). That was at the least unusual, particularly from a West European perspective bearing in mind the practice of slavery had pretty much fizzled out there. Instead he has become a campaigner working to discredit Britain, the country that has educated him, promoted him and brought him fame and acceptance. What has he got to say about that? people like Olusoga would have to pay their share of the greatly increased taxes Flyover Americans arent going to take it. Dont even get me started on the Moors, Arabs and Ottomans, As for getting rich many African tribes kept slaves and their societies did not get rich. Quick and essential guide to domestic and global politics from the New Statesman's politics team. Ive always agreed that the Africans should pay reparations to the rest of us for dumping all those people they wanted to get rid of on us. What has Nigeria ever done for him? It's all down to people in their 20s, those at school and in their teens, who have a relationship with history which, says Prof Olusoga, is profoundly different from that of their parents and grandparents. Sure. So this race baiter can try his guilt trip on someone else. And the third, fourth, fifth, and so on. Full text must be online somewhere but theres an extract at https://www.history.co.uk/shows/the-real-vikings/articles/eyewitness-to-the-vikings. When the American Civil War interrupted the supply of cotton, hundreds of thousands of British workers were made destitute, dependent on soup kitchens, and the British economy was dealt a thunderous blow, all because an ocean away the forced labour of four million enslaved black Americans had been disrupted. Dr Peter Olusoga is a senior psychology lecturer at Sheffield Hallam university. "Equiano is the most important voice that we have from the British experience of slavery and the slave trade," he said. As would Beyonce. They may not be happy about Dresden or Hiroshima but their lives are much better. Purely speculatively, and as a matter of prediction rather than judging whats best, its hard to imagine large-scale reparations ever being adopted in Blighty because the ratio of losers to winners with the vote (presuming eg British Asians would be ineligible for compensation) is going to remain unfavourable and the cost of reparations across the relevant parts of the old Empire (if youre compensating British Jamaicans, presumably youre going to compensate all the Jamaicans in Jamaica once youve accepted the principle) would be considerable. In the USA? When Olusoga recalled the experience before television cameras last year, he wept. Roman writers such as Pliny who chronicled or rather fabricated African life shaped perceptions of a continent populated by anthropophagi and other fantastic creatures, half-human, half-animal. His autobiography, The Interesting Narrative of the Life of Olaudah Equiano, details how he was sold into slavery aged 11, his experience of travelling the world as slave to a Royal Navy officer - who renamed him Gustavus Vassa - and how he bought his freedom from his final master, an English merchant in Montserrat. Its an interesting exercise to consider, given we live within such a system, how or whether that contradiction can be settled. And any reparations should be paid 50% by the African states for the areas which sold the slaves and pocketed the proceeds. Fought to STOP southern independence. And he might not find the society withdraws it nearly as comfortable for him to live in. Societies have what morals suit them. But Muslims were enslaving white Europeans into Africa long before the Atlantic route, usually castrating the males. Note, hes a renowned economist. Very little sugar on the mainland. Both of these need proof. Like I need to hand my cash to the next lass of Rus descent I see, lest she remind me of some unlucky slave-girl that may or may not have perished at the hands of my maybe-ancestors? It may not. His exposure to Nigerian culture seems quite limited. The answer is money. Oblong, Forbes magazine's extraordinarily arrogant contributor Tim Worstall Jeremy Corbyn. My first reaction, years and years ago, was thats awful. "I have," he admits, "a habit of . Theres an argument about judging people by the standard of their times, though even in the 1500s moral and religious objections to the slave trade had been made and the rationale of crimes against humanity is that some things are so abhorrent they could never truly be legal no matter what moral code the perpetrators justified themselves with. Those who grew rich on slavery and the slave trade were not neutral and no achievement or act of philanthropy justifies airbrushing their involvement from history. at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too. There is no reason to single White people out for unique levels of criticism. * the legal institution and pretty much the practice "They do not want British history to be a catalogue of heroes and victories and glorious chapters," he says. June 16, 2020 - 20:29 BST Aisha Nozari. Country Star Kacey Musgraves: Voting for Trump Is an Act of Violence. Of course if a rule was instituted that only people with white skins had to pay taxes, it might happen. The people in Portland, Seattle and Kenosha are too decadent to fight back. David Olusoga Historian, broadcaster and film-maker. Sloane witnessed and later became part of a system ruled by terror. 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